Amanda introduces the idea of chaotic or YOLO marketing β throwing out best practices and doing things AI would never do β as another trust-building strategy, while Amelia adds nuance about when this energy is appropriate versus when to return to basics.
37:07You have no clue if anything works, and so you gotta try it all. And then the further on in business stage, which is where I feel pretty lucky to be right now, where I know what works for me even in this time where it feels like nothing's working like it used to. I know that off the grid podcast works for me, but I can do some fun experiments. I can do something weird. I mean, in some senses, this five episodes in five days is a little bit of, like, chaos on the feed.
37:34Right? Like, I don't normally do this. So I think that for listeners, it's really just about knowing what stage you're at in business. Of course, everything is always an experiment, but are you in the beginning stage where it's all spaghetti, it's all the wall? Or are you perhaps in a more advanced stage where you've already set the table?
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40:26Okay. Enough about our sponsorship opportunities. Let's go ahead and dive back in to this episode. Okay. So to maybe summarize these first two trends, essentially, I think what we are talking about is that in 2026, we are going to see these different strategies for cultivating trust.
40:47The first one we talked through was building in public, sharing vulnerably online, cultivating trust by kind of going back to old school authenticity. Trying to be authentic, that's going to be one way people cultivate trust. And with that, it's gonna be a lot about consistency and congruency. In a totally different way, people are gonna cultivate trust through this YOLO energy and chaotic marketing, and by just doing the things that, as we've said, AI would never. So if you are throwing the best practices out the window, doing stuff that you're like, okay, I everybody says this won't work.
41:21Let me see if it will work for me. That's gonna be another way that we see people sort of do that in public, maneuver differently, and we're like, oh, interesting. I wanna see what that person's up to, and maybe I trust them because of that. So I really like these two, and I think people can like really sort of mix and remix them in interesting ways in any like channel strategy platform you're working with next year. You could find a way to utilize this trend.
41:45Amanda LairdYes. I am nodding in agreement.
41:48Amelia HrubySo the next three trends we have, I think, are actually a bit more like about topics or specific platforms that we kind of wanted to think about this year. So our third trend is that in 2026, all things offline and analog are going to be raved about again. I'm already seeing this with so many people on Substack or YouTube, which are kind of the only two platforms I'm ever really looking at, writing posts about how to build an analog art kit, how to set up your offline media library. I wrote about this a bit in my predictions post for the year. So I'm curious, Amanda, what are you seeing in terms of how offline and analog is showing up for creative small businesses?
42:33Amanda LairdAs I'm thinking and planning, I'm very aware of, like, how do I do business in real life offline? I have been thinking, like, do I run like a like a cohort, an in person cohort of my small group program? If you're in Toronto, let me know if you would actually wanna do it in person. You know? And I think this is something we might see more of.
43:02Right? Like, yes, the in person events. So networking, coworking meetups, which, you know, I I did a lot of that last year too. Right? Just working with other small business owners and finding ways to bring our business offline.
43:22And that also might be something like a zine that gets mailed, or monthly mail subscriptions and things like that, you know? And I think we might see more of that this year.
43:39Amelia HrubyYeah. I definitely think we're gonna see more of, like, the return to doing things by hand. So whether that be, like, sending the actual mail or putting a zine together, I think we're gonna see things that were digital for a while go back to being tactile. And I think we're gonna see that in some interesting ways. I think we're gonna see blends of in person of, like, online and offline.
44:01So I think there will be virtual memberships who start having knitting circles. I think there will be some of that again, especially for folks like me who like I I will not be going to in person events. I don't live somewhere where happening. And that's just like my business is not going IRL at all. But I see ways that even though it will stay online, I might be pulling in more just like tactile handcrafted experiences.
44:28Another trend that I see here that I have found so interesting is like within the sort of indie web world, there's all of this language now about handmade websites, which is like so interesting as someone with sort of a background in craft and, like, who loves the Internet. Like, I think what people mean by that is that, like, they've coded it or, like, they're creating it themselves. It's like a personal endeavor. It's not built on a Squarespace or sometimes it is on WordPress, but more hand coded there. And I think that we're gonna see a rise in that as well.
45:00Amanda LairdAre we going back to building frames in the in notepad? I mean, that's how I built Amanda's page of stuff in 1997.
45:09Amelia HrubySo My gosh. That's fun. I was definitely an angel fire GeoCities person. I don't think that businesses at large are gonna go back to that, quite honestly, because you can't process payments on a handmade website. Let's be honest.
45:22I am not a lawyer, but I would just not legally recommend that with all of the privacy regulations globally. But I think we're gonna see more creative business owners start to spin up sort of like offline analog personal brands or personal projects to sort of go alongside or separate from their business. Because I'm hearing from a lot of clients and interweb members that, like, they want that sense of, like, tactile creativity back. They're tired of pouring all of their creative energy into their online business.
45:52Amanda LairdYeah. I definitely hear that. And, you know, I think crafts are also, like, making comeback. Not that I think they ever went away, but, like, I am a crafter. I mean, this morning, I actually spent some time reorganizing my craft inspo Pinterest board because it is now at a point where I have to kind of group it by topic and interest.
46:19Right? Because it's like embroidery, it's felt, it's crochet, it's, you know, literally every hobby I have it. And, you know, I have always tried to maintain kind of an offline creative practice because I see how that energizes my creative business. And I think making something literally with your own two hands, I I could never. Right?
46:51And so there's something to that.
46:53Amelia HrubyYeah. And I think where this becomes a marketing trend is that like many of us have these personal practices, but I think that this year, our communities and audiences are gonna be more interested in hearing about them than they have been before. And so that means it's on each of us to decide if we are willing to pull that personal practice into our brand or our business or not. And I think that's gonna be an important decision to make. But I definitely think there's a way where, like, two years ago, if some online business creator I followed had written to me about their knitting, I would have been like, why are you telling me about this?
47:25And I think in 2026, I'll be like, tell me more. I think this is where, again, it gets back to that, like, what's the purpose of a trend? You know, I'm not saying people need to, like, hop on trends, but I think trends provide opportunities for resonance in moments when otherwise that may not have happened. So, like, if people are primed to want to hear about your crafts, then that's probably gonna resonate a little more than if you're just trying to tell them about your craft when that's sort of something that you haven't brought into the conversation before.
47:54Amanda LairdI also can see this handmade trend kind of coming in in a bit of a different way too around, like, visuals. Right? Mhmm. And thinking about, like, aesthetics, and, your brand identity, and what it looks like. And, you know, certainly, as, you know, I was a a nineties Riot Grrrl zine kind of girly, and so I love the kind of cut and paste look, and so I have like, you know, little stickers and things.
48:28And I love like the Channy app and how it's got that kind of like collage. Right? I think we might also kind of see some of that handmade and some of that like crafty element coming into our brand identities as well. I always talk about Julia Tershin, the recipe developer, cookbook writer. She has a great substack called Keep Calm and Cook On, which I just love.
48:59And, you know, for many, many years now, her kind of brand identity is literally just her writing with a Sharpie on a white piece of paper and taking a picture of it, and that is the podcast cover or and it even, like, made its way into her last cookbook. Right? And I think that literally handwritten, handmade kind of aesthetic will also I think we're gonna see a little bit more of that too.
49:31Amelia HrubyI feel like once again, it's just like the 2013 Internet's coming back.
49:34Amanda LairdOh, 100%. You know what? That goes well beyond 2013. Right? I mean, I have been making websites since the late nineties, and I have literally used, like, graph paper as, like, a part of my aesthetic in, like, those websites I used to design back in the nineties when I was, like, hand coding in notepad and things like that, you know, a little like ripped piece of newspaper in the corner.
50:07And that's I mean, if you go to Slow and Steady, you'll see lots of that on my current website too. Like, I just love it. Yeah. I just love it.
50:17Amelia HrubyYeah. Okay. So speaking of old things becoming new again, we also have a platform to watch on our list of trends this year. And this is something we talked about in our recap episode at the 2025. But do you wanna talk a little bit about Patreon and why you are calling that our platform to watch for the year ahead?
50:38Amanda LairdYou know, something that we noticed kind of towards the end of the summer was some big Substack creators leaving Substack for Patreon. And it's also very obvious by their marketing that Patreon is really investing in kind of positioning themselves as an alternative to Substack for creators. Like, they had billboards in Times Square talking about, you know, we've got newsletters now. I was really, really, really intrigued to see, you know, a couple big Substack writers that I followed, like Virginia Soul Smith and and Helen Peterson in particular that I followed on Substack for a long I I think Burnt Toast was the first Substack maybe that I subscribed to many many years ago. And to see them leave, like, was big.
51:44And, I mean, I think if you asked Patreon that they would agree with us that they are the platform to watch in 2026. But I guess the big question too is, like, will it be successful? And, you know, I will say so those two big creators that I've had followed on Substack, they all moved over to Patreon. I took them up on their offer for a free month of, premium membership or whatever. And I actually even paid for Big Undies for a couple of months too after they moved.
52:21I have unsubscribed from all of those. And maybe I am just like an old dog who cannot be taught new tricks in 2026. But it's just not it's not the same. It is not the same.
52:36Amelia HrubyYeah. I mean, one piece of this conversation that I think we've said before, but you didn't bring in this time that I do think is important is that, like, people are leaving Substack, and they're saying explicitly that they're leaving because of the values misalignment issues. So they're saying, like, Substack is platforming Nazis. It's platforming white supremacists. We're seeing, like, an influx of misinformation and really problematic creators here, And so therefore, we are leaving.
53:02That's some of what these creators are saying or the gist of it.
53:05Amanda LairdAnd also that, like, Substack is stealing my audience. And
53:13Amelia Hrubythe platform is and we are noticing. And so there have also been many big creators who've talked about how, like, their growth has slowed down so much. Substack is not bringing them subscribers the way it used to. Like, we are quite literally seeing Cory Doctorowes and Chitification process happen on Substack. And so these creators have left and gone to Patreon.
53:32And, you know, on the homepage of Patreon right now, like, what it says is your newsletter, your rules is the first header, like above the fold part of that page. And so Patreon is definitely trying to position itself as the I'm thinking of it as kind of like the alt substack, although it wants to be even more mainstream. It doesn't really wanna stay alt anymore. And Patreon has been around for a long time, I believe, longer than Substack. I've been aware of it for much longer than I've been aware of Substack, largely because it's a place that many podcasters have, you know, gathered their communities for a long, long time.
54:08And for me, Patreon is definitely the platform I will be watching next year. But my big question for them is like, can they find their footing? Because I feel like what's happening right there right now is they're just trying to become the place for everybody to share everything, and I'm not enjoying that from any of the creators that I'm even paying to subscribe for.
54:30Amanda LairdInteresting. I was not enthusiastic about people who moved. Like I said, those creators that I'd followed for a long time, like, I ended up unsubscribing. I just did not like the format. Couldn't find my way around.
54:49Now, I recently subscribed to new Patreon, however. And this is also something I've been noticing is there have been a couple of people, or like in particular, there's this one artist that I follow on Instagram, but I think she's technically bigger on TikTok, and she does like drawing tutorials, and she just started a Patreon. Which is interesting because I feel like one or two years ago, she probably would have started a Substack. And then I just subscribed to another Patreon, which has been around for a while, But this is like my first time kind of like paying for this creator's work and interacting with this creator. And because this is like where I'm meeting them for the first time, I'm like, okay, yeah, I get this.
55:49Amelia HrubyI think what you're describing in your personal experience is just that, like, switching costs are high. And I think that that's why it is important to be intentional on where you set up these sort of gathering places in your business. Because this sort of interface switch from Substack to Patreon, it feels super different. And, you know, I experienced this personally not in this space, but, when I left Spotify and started using Apple Music. I was like, what is this?